During a recent appearance on the “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast, songstress Miley Cyrus called out the MTV VMA directors while recalling an “embarrassing” alleged conversation they had while filming her performance for the awards show.

While preparing to sing her new single “Midnight Sky,” the former Disney Channel star explained that she wanted to be lit in a certain way, not with “beauty lights” which, according to Miley, are “always used on women.”

“I said, ‘Turn the f**king lights off. You would never tell Travis Scott or Adam Levine that he couldn’t turn the beauty light off.’ I just want the red lighting,” the 27-year-old explained, before adding that she was told, “We’ll do the same thing that we do with the guys.”

Continuing the story, she explained, “My bracelets kept getting caught and all this s**t and they said, ‘You want to be treated like a guy? We wouldn’t be dealing with this if a guy was doing this.’ I said, ‘A guy wouldn’t be doing this because a guy doesn’t sell your show with sex, the way I am going to.’ I am aware of that.”

After she finished, Joe Rogan told Miley that having that conversation with the directors was “ridiculous.” She agreed and added, “[It’s] also embarrassing,” before revealing that she was also asked “How long is glam gonna take?”

“I don’t lose my kindness, but I also don’t become a mat. I am firm about what I want,” Miley added.

Throughout their interview, the Hannah Montana alum also touched on her divorce from ex-husband Liam Hemsworth.

“I recently went through a very public divorce that f**cking sucked. What really sucked about it wasn’t the fact that me and someone that I loved realized that we don’t love each other the way that we used to anymore. That’s OK, I can accept that. I can’t accept the villainizing, and just all those stories,” she said.

Previously, while speaking on Zane Lowe‘s Apple Music podcast, the 27-year-old echoed these feelings and said she felt “villainized” for “moving on” so quickly.

“I also felt like I kind of shut down because it was kind of, respectfully, below me to engage with the press and the media at that time,” Miley explained, adding that instead, she put her feelings into her music. “It felt like I would rather be able to articulate this experience in a poetic way that also I can put back into my art. I never really have engaged. I’ve only played with the public and the perception in that way.”

MTV did not immediately respond to J-14‘s request for comment.

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